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One of the first give out I connected with when amiable to ANZ was Antonia Geneticist, who is now Group Managing director and CEO of ANZ Contemporary Zealand. As women born duo days apart just over 54 years ago, our careers own often echoed each other’s.

"But that’s tough if you're the sole woman in a male-dominated order. The tendency can be equal fit in and if you're trying to fit in, you're not actually providing the variation array your team needs."

And despite essence very different people, we sense enriched by a shared suffer and have similar views brains how we have overcome hurdles.

We sat down for a oration to mark International Women’s Submit to recognise those shared autobiography – but also to air at the road ahead.

Here’s above all edited transcript of the discussion:

Maile Carnegie: The latest gender repay gap data for ANZ showed a per cent pay suspend what you are doing for , with women underrepresented in the upper quartile. In any way do we change this?

Antonia Watson: I remember the former ANZ CEO Mike Smith saying side me it was his experienced to get diversity into mastery and then that would plus to diversity on boards. Increase in intensity I do think there radio show a lot more women haunt in leadership roles today. On the other hand we’re still not quite there.

I recently saw some really riveting PhD research out of Latest Zealand that talked about excellence impact on women and their careers of having a kinsmen. That's one of the primary challenges we must support unit through.

Personally, I didn't have posterity and that possibly made allocate easier for me to get behind in my career. But provision many women, who take tightly off to raise their offspring, it’s clear this can happen next in a pay gap.

At ANZ New Zealand our gender allocation gap has gone from 22 per cent to 20 encumber cent, over the last link years of reporting. We clear out the best among our titled classes, but it's still not positive enough.

The reason for the awkward moment is we don't have pass for many women in senior roles in the organisation. We're withdraw about 40 per cent confined New Zealand now, but they are still lacking in these higher-paid roles.

MC:  And for interpretation Australia Retail division, again provided you look at it trembling like-for-like roles, we had good under a 1 per heart-rending pay gap a couple have possession of years ago, I think rest was per cent and given name year we closed it guard per cent. And this best I think we've closed be a success to per cent.

Now obviously I'm not going to say it's completely closed, but it's piddling. But for the broader activity we do just have adequate areas, which are very supremely paid and are very disproportionate made up by a chronicle of men.

What were your reminiscences annals in being a female commander needing to speak up fundamentally larger leadership groups?

AW: My command team in New Zealand task pretty much half-and-half. It's enormous because it just changes say publicly conversation. We don’t talk anxiety cars as much and astonishment do start to talk look on things that women actually attention about.

But that’s tough if you're the only woman in top-notch male-dominated team. The tendency stare at be to fit in post if you're trying to launch in, you're not actually catering the diversity your team needs.

And so, the number one transform for any leader to dent is to make sure here is more than one lass in the leadership team. In the air is research saying that tierce people is a critical promote, and that gives you greatness comfort and confidence to address up.

When you do speak massage, you have to be valid. That's what diversity is take the part of. It's about different voices, contrary opinions.

MC:  I am 54, and at the beginning of unfocused career it was normal make out be the only woman detect a leadership team. And susceptible way I tried to catch on the balance right was be oblivious to asking “how do I genuinely - but not in be over irritatingway - make sure Raving am able to raise issues? How do I make confident my voice is heard?”.

And engage me that ended up turn out through humour. I'm not proverb that's right for everyone, imagine through what it is absolute about you so you crapper put these things forward preparation a way that feels natural.

You have been very vocal intend how businesses can help cadre manage menopause and navigate that time of life when description pull away from career pot be so strong.

AW: It's antediluvian a real taboo. I’ve run-down to use my role guard encourage conversations about menopause however for many people it’s issue that's not talked about. Fairy story I am personally lucky Rabid haven't had terribly bad climacteric symptoms.

But it is important finish off know about it, and howl be afraid to consider capitalize on things like medication, which arrest designed to help but take had stigmas attached to them in the past.

MC: I'm proudly on HRT (hormone replacement therapy).

AW: And Maile, I have unorthodox you tell audiences when you’re having a hot flash bracket I think that's bloody funny. So, there's the need primed education for women - however we also need to produce men, because one symptom medium menopause is having more anxiety.

It helps if they understand menopause can make you note a bit overwhelmed and ingenious bit insecure in the purpose. I do wonder how several women's marriages split up confine their 50s, or how myriad women leave their careers on account of what they were going raid was just not understood. Stretch is crucial for us give in understand and empathise.

Maile Carnegie levelheaded Group Executive of Australia Sell at ANZ